Eve Eurydice speaks with Dr. Marilyn Volker, founder of Fringe Clergy & Institute of International Sexology. She worked for Masters & Johnson’s in St. Louis in 1969. She led the work for gay, bi & transgender folk in Miami in the 70s & AIDS patients in the 80s. She was a counselor, teacher, & minister when she became a sexual surrogate under the supervision of a psychiatrist. She surrogated for 50 people, then began training & supervising other surrogates. We discuss: Body Mapping; Observational, Nurturing, Playful, Sensuous, Sexual Touching; Eye Gazing; Showering; Cuddling. How Does this Feel Feedback (Speak Sex!). Our language is Patriarchy’s Language & it’s designed to be understood by the lowest common denominator & highest numbers. Love is what gets you out of the darkest spots where words don’t help. & Step by Step Touch is the Hack. Liberate yourself from the Beauty & Sexual Success from the Standards of the Establishment. Let Go of Goals, Develop your Skills & Get your Questions Answered. Respect our Elders! PS Marilyn married one of her patients.